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Walter Bender
2017-05-31 21:47:56 UTC
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I'd like to queue up this motion before our monthly meeting on Friday:

Motion: Allocate $800 towards the expenses associated with Samson Goddy
presenting Sugar at the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux, France in July 2017
(See [1] for details).

[1]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing

regards.

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James Cameron
2017-05-31 22:23:47 UTC
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I'd like a new version of Scratch integrated with Sugar.
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Samson Goddy
2017-05-31 22:25:30 UTC
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That is the plan, i am already in touch with Mitchel Resnick. There is plan
for Sugar and possible Sugarizer too. I will keep you in touch about the
updates.
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Adam Holt
2017-06-01 10:50:31 UTC
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Post by Walter Bender
Motion: Allocate $800 towards the expenses associated with Samson Goddy
presenting Sugar at the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux, France in July 2017
(See [1] for details).
This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a visa
alone.

Far worse, when in fact it can be done for less.

Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching in
Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson would
apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic claims
have insinuated.

As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION with
respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point where:

1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
policies).

2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens if
the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's visa
application. (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-$500 ?)

Important: There's absolutely no need to wait for a monthly meeting here,
so that Samson (or other urgent matters such as this) are not left waiting.


[1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG15sUFpzBe
Post by Walter Bender
uBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
regards.
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Samson Goddy
2017-06-01 11:14:58 UTC
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Hi adam,

I want to clarify some things with you.

On Jun 1, 2017 11:50 AM, "Adam Holt" <***@laptop.org> wrote:

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Walter Bender <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

I'd like to queue up this motion before our monthly meeting on Friday:

Motion: Allocate $800 towards the expenses associated with Samson Goddy
presenting Sugar at the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux, France in July 2017
(See [1] for details).


This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a visa
alone.

Flight and other things connected.


Far worse, when in fact it can be done for less.

Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching in
Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson would
apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic claims
have insinuated.


I am a Nigerian, you are not. If you look at caryl email you will see that
2017 is the worst year in the whole nigeria history in terms of economy.
Most things you see in the internet are purely last year. Things are crazy
expensive in Nigeria. I spent close to 80USD per month for internet only.

And we don't use dollar in Nigeria just naira. And naira is not valuable.


As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION with
respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point where:

1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
policies).

If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with $500-600. Just that it will
make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet plan.
Half is better than none.


2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens if
the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's visa
application. (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-$500 ?)

I am the one taking the risk not Sugar Labs.

You mention last time that if i can get money elsewhere and be successful
with the visa.. Sugar Labs will grant me repay me.

The money is to paid to me not scratch..

Right now Scratch already sent me some money for Ibiam's passport. Which he
will be having soon, they are alo looking for a way to get Ibiam to
bordeaux since the community chose not to help.


Important: There's absolutely no need to wait for a monthly meeting here,
so that Samson (or other urgent matters such as this) are not left waiting.


I think friday will be a good day to vote. There is no rush. I am to go to
lagos bu 11th of june.



[1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG15sU
FpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing

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Adam Holt
2017-06-01 12:28:05 UTC
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Post by Adam Holt
This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a visa
alone.
Flight and other things connected.
All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
ready yet...)

Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching in
Post by Adam Holt
Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson would
apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic claims
have insinuated.
I am a Nigerian, you are not.
Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
$~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
by Lagos Island, I know it well)

http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701

Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much myself
but there are in fact options in every price range.

Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more resourceful
than most imagine.

As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION with
Post by Adam Holt
1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
policies).
If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with $500-600. Just that it will
make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet plan.
Half is better than none.
Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
had this opportunity!
Post by Adam Holt
2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
visa application. (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
$500 ?)
The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.

Onwards & Upwards ~
Samson Goddy
2017-06-01 12:43:38 UTC
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Post by Adam Holt
This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a visa
alone.
Flight and other things connected.
All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
ready yet...)

Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching in
Post by Adam Holt
Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson would
apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic claims
have insinuated.
I am a Nigerian, you are not.
Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
$~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
by Lagos Island, I know it well)

http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701

Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much myself
but there are in fact options in every price range.

Staying a standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
like me.

Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even let
me try it.

It may sound crazy but that how it is.


Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more resourceful
than most imagine.

Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.


As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION with
Post by Adam Holt
1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
policies).
If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with $500-600. Just that it will
make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet plan.
Half is better than none.
Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
had this opportunity!
Post by Adam Holt
2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
visa application. (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
$500 ?)
The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.

Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to give
me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion is
purely for reimbursement.

You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.


Onwards & Upwards ~
Walter Bender
2017-06-03 12:36:50 UTC
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Please excuse the top post.

I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most of
you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800 stated
in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will second
it so we can vote?

regards.

-walter
Post by Adam Holt
Post by Adam Holt
This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
visa alone.
Flight and other things connected.
All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
ready yet...)
Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
Post by Adam Holt
in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
claims have insinuated.
I am a Nigerian, you are not.
Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
$~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
by Lagos Island, I know it well)
http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much myself
but there are in fact options in every price range.
Staying a standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
like me.
Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
let me try it.
It may sound crazy but that how it is.
Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
resourceful than most imagine.
Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
Post by Adam Holt
1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
policies).
If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with $500-600. Just that it
will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
plan. Half is better than none.
Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
had this opportunity!
Post by Adam Holt
2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
visa application. (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
$500 ?)
The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.
Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to give
me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion is
purely for reimbursement.
You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.
Onwards & Upwards ~
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Adam Holt
2017-06-03 13:08:08 UTC
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On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Please excuse the top post.

I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most of
you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800 stated
in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will second
it so we can vote?


Humbly Disagree.

The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:

(1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.

(2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.

On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — *by
saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*

Respecting All,

Adam

regards.

-walter
Post by Adam Holt
Post by Adam Holt
This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
visa alone.
Flight and other things connected.
All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
ready yet...)
Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
Post by Adam Holt
in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
claims have insinuated.
I am a Nigerian, you are not.
Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
$~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
by Lagos Island, I know it well)
http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much myself
but there are in fact options in every price range.
Staying a standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
like me.
Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
let me try it.
It may sound crazy but that how it is.
Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
resourceful than most imagine.
Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
Post by Adam Holt
1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
policies).
If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with $500-600. Just that it
will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
plan. Half is better than none.
Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
had this opportunity!
Post by Adam Holt
2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
visa application. (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
$500 ?)
The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.
Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to give
me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion is
purely for reimbursement.
You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.
Onwards & Upwards ~
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Samson Goddy
2017-06-03 13:38:47 UTC
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Post by Walter Bender
Please excuse the top post.
I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800
stated in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will
second it so we can vote?
Humbly Disagree.
(1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.
I am to visit Lagos by 12th of june to begin my visa process.
Post by Walter Bender
(2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.
$600(195,000 naira) will be helpful judging by the current exchange rate,
compare to $500.

My request was 260,000 naira, getting up to 195,000 would be nice.


But one question Adam, what if i get the visa and spend higher than what
was proposed due to the naira gaining rate towards the dollar, supposedly
what was approved was $600(195,000 naira as of today exchange rate)?

Shouldn't we agree on using the Naira as the currency here, since it is
going to be reimbursement? Because it might happen that tomorrow, if the
approved money is $600(195,000) went back to $1 = 170 naira. Right now the
rate is $1 = 325 naira. So the $600 might turn up useless if this happens.


When you told me you came to Nigeria, i believe the rate was $1 = 190
naira, that was why things was cheap in Nigeria compare 2017 $1 = 325
naira.


So this should be consider when trying to lower the money from $800 to any
amount. Because i mentioned the amount i need in naira which was 260,000 i
didn't care about the dollars or euro because it might be $400 or even $300
if the economy turn worst.

So 260,000 Nigerian naira is the total amount of my motion as of today.


On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
Post by Walter Bender
avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — *by
saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*
But could this be voted on, as walter suggested?
Post by Walter Bender
Respecting All,
Adam
BR

Samson
Post by Walter Bender
regards.
-walter
Post by Adam Holt
Post by Adam Holt
This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
visa alone.
Flight and other things connected.
All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
ready yet...)
Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
Post by Adam Holt
in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
claims have insinuated.
I am a Nigerian, you are not.
Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
$~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
by Lagos Island, I know it well)
http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much
myself but there are in fact options in every price range.
Staying a standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
like me.
Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
let me try it.
It may sound crazy but that how it is.
Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
resourceful than most imagine.
Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
Post by Adam Holt
1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
policies).
If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with $500-600. Just that it
will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
plan. Half is better than none.
Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
had this opportunity!
Post by Adam Holt
2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
visa application. (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
$500 ?)
The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.
Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to
give me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion
is purely for reimbursement.
You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.
Onwards & Upwards ~
_______________________________________________
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Adam Holt
2017-06-03 13:56:03 UTC
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If board members cannot feed themselves in their own country, and
additionally Sugar Labs is being asked to create my-favorite-hotel in
my-favorite-neighborhood welfare handouts for its own board members in
their own countries, we have a far deeper long-term problem on our hands
here, that will unfortunately but certainly not be resolved before June
11/12.

Be It Resolved: we now need to move on.
Post by Walter Bender
Please excuse the top post.
I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800
stated in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will
second it so we can vote?
Humbly Disagree.
(1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.
I am to visit Lagos by 12th of june to begin my visa process.
Post by Walter Bender
(2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.
$600(195,000 naira) will be helpful judging by the current exchange rate,
compare to $500.

My request was 260,000 naira, getting up to 195,000 would be nice.


But one question Adam, what if i get the visa and spend higher than what
was proposed due to the naira gaining rate towards the dollar, supposedly
what was approved was $600(195,000 naira as of today exchange rate)?

Shouldn't we agree on using the Naira as the currency here, since it is
going to be reimbursement? Because it might happen that tomorrow, if the
approved money is $600(195,000) went back to $1 = 170 naira. Right now the
rate is $1 = 325 naira. So the $600 might turn up useless if this happens.


When you told me you came to Nigeria, i believe the rate was $1 = 190
naira, that was why things was cheap in Nigeria compare 2017 $1 = 325
naira.


So this should be consider when trying to lower the money from $800 to any
amount. Because i mentioned the amount i need in naira which was 260,000 i
didn't care about the dollars or euro because it might be $400 or even $300
if the economy turn worst.

So 260,000 Nigerian naira is the total amount of my motion as of today.


On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
Post by Walter Bender
avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — *by
saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*
But could this be voted on, as walter suggested?
Post by Walter Bender
Respecting All,
Adam
BR

Samson
Post by Walter Bender
regards.
-walter
Post by Adam Holt
Post by Adam Holt
This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
visa alone.
Flight and other things connected.
All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
ready yet...)
Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
Post by Adam Holt
in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
claims have insinuated.
I am a Nigerian, you are not.
Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
$~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
by Lagos Island, I know it well)
http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much
myself but there are in fact options in every price range.
Staying a standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
like me.
Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
let me try it.
It may sound crazy but that how it is.
Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
resourceful than most imagine.
Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
Post by Adam Holt
1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
policies).
If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with $500-600. Just that it
will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
plan. Half is better than none.
Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
had this opportunity!
Post by Adam Holt
2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
visa application. (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
$500 ?)
The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.
Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to
give me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion
is purely for reimbursement.
You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.
Onwards & Upwards ~
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Samson Goddy
2017-06-03 14:02:56 UTC
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Okay, i heard you.

I think me replying to some statements will create more discussion, so i
wouldn't.

Could it be seconded, as walter suggested so that it could be voted upon?



SG
Post by Adam Holt
If board members cannot feed themselves in their own country, and
additionally Sugar Labs is being asked to create my-favorite-hotel in
my-favorite-neighborhood welfare handouts for its own board members in
their own countries, we have a far deeper long-term problem on our hands
here, that will unfortunately but certainly not be resolved before June
11/12.
Be It Resolved: we now need to move on.
Post by Walter Bender
Please excuse the top post.
I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800
stated in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will
second it so we can vote?
Humbly Disagree.
(1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.
I am to visit Lagos by 12th of june to begin my visa process.
Post by Walter Bender
(2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.
$600(195,000 naira) will be helpful judging by the current exchange rate,
compare to $500.
My request was 260,000 naira, getting up to 195,000 would be nice.
But one question Adam, what if i get the visa and spend higher than what
was proposed due to the naira gaining rate towards the dollar, supposedly
what was approved was $600(195,000 naira as of today exchange rate)?
Shouldn't we agree on using the Naira as the currency here, since it is
going to be reimbursement? Because it might happen that tomorrow, if the
approved money is $600(195,000) went back to $1 = 170 naira. Right now the
rate is $1 = 325 naira. So the $600 might turn up useless if this happens.
When you told me you came to Nigeria, i believe the rate was $1 = 190
naira, that was why things was cheap in Nigeria compare 2017 $1 = 325
naira.
So this should be consider when trying to lower the money from $800 to any
amount. Because i mentioned the amount i need in naira which was 260,000 i
didn't care about the dollars or euro because it might be $400 or even $300
if the economy turn worst.
So 260,000 Nigerian naira is the total amount of my motion as of today.
On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
Post by Walter Bender
avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — *by
saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*
But could this be voted on, as walter suggested?
Post by Walter Bender
Respecting All,
Adam
BR
Samson
Post by Walter Bender
regards.
-walter
Post by Adam Holt
Post by Adam Holt
This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
visa alone.
Flight and other things connected.
All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
ready yet...)
Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
Post by Adam Holt
in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
claims have insinuated.
I am a Nigerian, you are not.
Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
$~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
by Lagos Island, I know it well)
http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much
myself but there are in fact options in every price range.
Staying a standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
like me.
Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
let me try it.
It may sound crazy but that how it is.
Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
resourceful than most imagine.
Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
Post by Adam Holt
1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
policies).
If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with $500-600. Just that it
will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
plan. Half is better than none.
Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish
they had this opportunity!
Post by Adam Holt
2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what
happens if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting
Samson's visa application. (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this
up-to-$500 ?)
The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.
Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to
give me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion
is purely for reimbursement.
You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.
Onwards & Upwards ~
_______________________________________________
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
_______________________________________________
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--
Walter Bender
Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org
<http://www.sugarlabs.org>
_______________________________________________
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
_______________________________________________
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
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Samson Goddy
2017-06-04 05:18:58 UTC
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Hello all,

It is more than 24hrs since walter requested this motion should be
seconded, so that voting can begin.
Sorry for thinking this way, but is it that the community don't want to
support the Bordeaux trip at all?

This is the second time i am making a proposal. First, was for me and Ibiam
which our sole purpose was to travel together to represent Sugarlabs and
possible connect to sponsors for future SL workshops in Nigeria. That was
declined because some people feel we are traveling first class trip.

Is this how SL tend to grow further by not supporting members for outreach
programs? Please bare in mind i am just 17, i don't have a steady stream of
money or income as most of you do. This community became my responsibility
ever since i became part of the board members. Of course SL money should be
use to promote Sugar which i think this proposal is doing.

I want to simply know if i will have some support from the community while
trying to promote Sugar in Bordeaux. Please bare in mind, a community can
never grow if we cannot have a good marketing strategy. it is not all about
maintaining our project but by promoting it.
Post by Walter Bender
Please excuse the top post.
I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800 stated
in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will second
it so we can vote?
regards.
-walter
Post by Adam Holt
Post by Adam Holt
This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
visa alone.
Flight and other things connected.
All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
ready yet...)
Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
Post by Adam Holt
in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
claims have insinuated.
I am a Nigerian, you are not.
Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
$~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
by Lagos Island, I know it well)
http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much
myself but there are in fact options in every price range.
Staying a standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
like me.
Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
let me try it.
It may sound crazy but that how it is.
Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
resourceful than most imagine.
Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
Post by Adam Holt
1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
policies).
If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with $500-600. Just that it
will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
plan. Half is better than none.
Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
had this opportunity!
Post by Adam Holt
2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
visa application. (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
$500 ?)
The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.
Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to
give me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion
is purely for reimbursement.
You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.
Onwards & Upwards ~
_______________________________________________
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
_______________________________________________
Sugar-devel mailing list
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
--
Walter Bender
Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org
<http://www.sugarlabs.org>
_______________________________________________
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