[Sugar-devel] GSoC'21 draft proposal for 'Improve and maintain 15 sugar activities'

Discussion:

Sourabha G

2021-04-07 08:45:36 UTC

Hello everyone,

Here is my draft proposal for the 'Improve and maintain 15 sugar
activities' project as a part of GSoC-20201. Thoughts and suggestions are
appreciated :)

Regards,
Sourabha G

Chihurumnaya Ibiam

2021-04-07 17:31:56 UTC

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Hi Sourabha,

Thanks for the draft, a few comments;

What do you mean by "Add help activity" - second item in the Honey part -?
When you say "Contribute to the documentation", could you be a bit more
specific? What documentation do you intend to contribute to?
The fifth item "Fix issues that are required for an activity to be
released" seems vague,
what issues are you referring to here and in what activities?

You've selected less that 15 activities as stated by the project idea, we
definitely can talk about
the activities you'd want to work on.

I like the fact that you teach yoga classes to kids, I think that's amazing.
--
Ibiam Chihurumnaya

Post by Sourabha G
Hello everyone,
Here is my draft proposal for the 'Improve and maintain 15 sugar
activities' project as a part of GSoC-20201. Thoughts and suggestions are
appreciated :)
Regards,
Sourabha G
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Sourabha G

2021-04-08 13:43:23 UTC

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Thanks for the feedback, glad you appreciate my teaching yoga classes to

kids :)
By "Add help activity" I mean, I'd add Help for the selected activities (
Triples <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples>, cardsort
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort>, iq-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/iq-activity> and recall
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall>) by writing help pages to them in
the help-activity repository.
By "Contribute to the documentation" I mean,
a. Update the Readme, activity documentation in help-activity repository
according to the changes made in the activity.
b. Update any documentation that might ease the new contributors for
better understanding.
By "Fix issues that are required for an activity to be released" I mean,
there are few issues that require it to be fixed (other than feature
addition and port to GTK+ 3) inorder to make a new release of the activity
like #6 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples/issues/6> in triples
activity, #9 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort/issues/9> in
cardsort, #12 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtlepond/pull/12> in
turtlepond activity.
A) To add basic game design features and activity specific features (game
design features are mentioned in draft proposal)
1. Triples <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples> : This activity has
only one level. Hence, I'll add levels and other basic game design features.
2. cardsort <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort> : This activity
already has levels.Hence I will add other basic game design features.
3. iq-activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/iq-activity> : This
activity seems to have only one level. Hence I'd add multiple levels and
other basic game design features.
4. recall <https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall> : This activity already
has various levels. Hence I'd like to add basic game design features. Also,
it is a little hard to figure out the place of the instruction about what
image to recall each time. I'd like to enhance the UX by placing the
instruction in an intuitive place.
5. wordcloud <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/>: As mentioned in
#2 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/issues/2>, I think it would
make more sense if the input text was split by newlines than by words.
Also, as mentioned in #10
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/issues/10>, adding support for
emoji and special characters would be fun.
6. turtlepond <https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtlepond> : This activity
has only 3 puzzles (3 levels). I think it adding basic game design and more
levels to this would enable mastering this kind of logical thinking and
make it more fun.
7.classify-cats <https://github.com/sugarlabs/classify-cats> :,The
logic of the game is to classify cats on the basis of "odd" and "even"
number of cats. Keeping this as level 1, multiple levels can be added
varying the criteria to classify the cats. Criteria might be "multiple of X
" and "not a multiple of X" . This feature would be added along with the
basic game design features.
8. chat <https://github.com/sugarlabs/chat> : I'd like to work on the
issue #17 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/chat/issues/17>.
9. imageviewer-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/imageviewer-activity>: It would be handy
to add basic image editing features such as crop and filters to this
activity.
This activity has a very strong pedagogical value, I'm enthusiastic to
bring this to use. But I'm not sure how to update it. A checklist of what
work needs to be done to update this would be helpful.
C) To port to GTK+ 3 (Tentative list as mentioned in draft proposal)
Given the past attempts on porting these activities, I'm not sure if it's
right to choose these activities for porting to GTK+ 3 as a part of GSoC.
Thoughts on this from the mentors would be helpful.
11. compress-activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/compress-activity>
12. Bounce activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/Bounce>
13. followmeButia activit <https://github.com/sugarlabs/followmeButia>
14. Arithmetic activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/arithmetic>
15. Labyrinth activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/labyrinth-activity>
Kindly let me know the desirability and the relevance of the features I
plan to add. Also, Based on your experience and judgment, kindly let me
know if I'm biting more than I could chew for the time constraint of GSoC.
I will select the activities accordingly :)
Thanks,
Sourabha G.

Post by Chihurumnaya Ibiam
Hi Sourabha,
Thanks for the draft, a few comments;
What do you mean by "Add help activity" - second item in the Honey part -?
When you say "Contribute to the documentation", could you be a bit more
specific? What documentation do you intend to contribute to?
The fifth item "Fix issues that are required for an activity to be
released" seems vague,
what issues are you referring to here and in what activities?
You've selected less that 15 activities as stated by the project idea,
we definitely can talk about
the activities you'd want to work on.
I like the fact that you teach yoga classes to kids, I think that's amazing.
--
Ibiam Chihurumnaya

Chihurumnaya Ibiam

2021-04-09 04:41:16 UTC

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I don't think you're biting more than you can chew as sometimes we can't
really say how long it'll take
to fix a problem unless one starts working on it.

The previous attempts at porting an activity can be a good starting point
for you as you can complete
the PR, nothing wrong with that, the only activity in the list that I think
should be removed is followmeButia
except you have the resources to test it on bare metal.
--
Ibiam Chihurumnaya

Thanks for the feedback, glad you appreciate my teaching yoga classes to

kids :)
By "Add help activity" I mean, I'd add Help for the selected activities (
Triples <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples>, cardsort
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort>, iq-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/iq-activity> and recall
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall>) by writing help pages to them in
the help-activity repository.
By "Contribute to the documentation" I mean,
a. Update the Readme, activity documentation in help-activity
repository according to the changes made in the activity.
b. Update any documentation that might ease the new contributors for
better understanding.
By "Fix issues that are required for an activity to be released" I mean,
there are few issues that require it to be fixed (other than feature
addition and port to GTK+ 3) inorder to make a new release of the activity
like #6 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples/issues/6> in triples
activity, #9 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort/issues/9> in
cardsort, #12 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtlepond/pull/12> in
turtlepond activity.
A) To add basic game design features and activity specific features
(game design features are mentioned in draft proposal)
1. Triples <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples> : This activity has
only one level. Hence, I'll add levels and other basic game design features.
2. cardsort <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort> : This activity
already has levels.Hence I will add other basic game design features.
3. iq-activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/iq-activity> : This
activity seems to have only one level. Hence I'd add multiple levels and
other basic game design features.
4. recall <https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall> : This activity
already has various levels. Hence I'd like to add basic game design
features. Also, it is a little hard to figure out the place of the
instruction about what image to recall each time. I'd like to enhance the
UX by placing the instruction in an intuitive place.
5. wordcloud <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/>: As mentioned in
#2 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/issues/2>, I think it would
make more sense if the input text was split by newlines than by words.
Also, as mentioned in #10
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/issues/10>, adding support for
emoji and special characters would be fun.
6. turtlepond <https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtlepond> : This
activity has only 3 puzzles (3 levels). I think it adding basic game design
and more levels to this would enable mastering this kind of logical
thinking and make it more fun.
7.classify-cats <https://github.com/sugarlabs/classify-cats> :,The
logic of the game is to classify cats on the basis of "odd" and "even"
number of cats. Keeping this as level 1, multiple levels can be added
varying the criteria to classify the cats. Criteria might be "multiple of X
" and "not a multiple of X" . This feature would be added along with the
basic game design features.
8. chat <https://github.com/sugarlabs/chat> : I'd like to work on the
issue #17 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/chat/issues/17>.
9. imageviewer-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/imageviewer-activity>: It would be handy
to add basic image editing features such as crop and filters to this
activity.
10. wikipedia-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/wikipedia-activity>: This activity has a
very strong pedagogical value, I'm enthusiastic to bring this to use. But
I'm not sure how to update it. A checklist of what work needs to be done to
update this would be helpful.
C) To port to GTK+ 3 (Tentative list as mentioned in draft proposal)
Given the past attempts on porting these activities, I'm not sure if
it's right to choose these activities for porting to GTK+ 3 as a part of
GSoC. Thoughts on this from the mentors would be helpful.
11. compress-activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/compress-activity>
12. Bounce activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/Bounce>
13. followmeButia activit <https://github.com/sugarlabs/followmeButia>
14. Arithmetic activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/arithmetic>
15. Labyrinth activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/labyrinth-activity>
Kindly let me know the desirability and the relevance of the features I
plan to add. Also, Based on your experience and judgment, kindly let me
know if I'm biting more than I could chew for the time constraint of GSoC.
I will select the activities accordingly :)
Thanks,
Sourabha G.

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Sourabha G

2021-04-10 06:24:21 UTC

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Thanks, I will work on foodforce2-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/foodforce2-activity> instead of followmeButia
activity. It seems a few things weren't clearly mentioned in the draft
proposal, I have updated the draft proposal as per your suggestions. Any
critical comments and thoughts are welcome.

Post by Chihurumnaya Ibiam
I don't think you're biting more than you can chew as sometimes we can't
really say how long it'll take
to fix a problem unless one starts working on it.
The previous attempts at porting an activity can be a good starting point
for you as you can complete
the PR, nothing wrong with that, the only activity in the list that I
think should be removed is followmeButia
except you have the resources to test it on bare metal.
--
Ibiam Chihurumnaya

Thanks for the feedback, glad you appreciate my teaching yoga classes to

kids :)
By "Add help activity" I mean, I'd add Help for the selected activities
(Triples <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples>, cardsort
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort>, iq-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/iq-activity> and recall
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall>) by writing help pages to them
in the help-activity repository.
By "Contribute to the documentation" I mean,
a. Update the Readme, activity documentation in help-activity
repository according to the changes made in the activity.
b. Update any documentation that might ease the new contributors for
better understanding.
By "Fix issues that are required for an activity to be released" I
mean, there are few issues that require it to be fixed (other than feature
addition and port to GTK+ 3) inorder to make a new release of the activity
like #6 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples/issues/6> in triples
activity, #9 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort/issues/9> in
cardsort, #12 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtlepond/pull/12> in
turtlepond activity.
A) To add basic game design features and activity specific features
(game design features are mentioned in draft proposal)
1. Triples <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples> : This activity has
only one level. Hence, I'll add levels and other basic game design features.
2. cardsort <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort> : This activity
already has levels.Hence I will add other basic game design features.
3. iq-activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/iq-activity> : This
activity seems to have only one level. Hence I'd add multiple levels and
other basic game design features.
4. recall <https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall> : This activity
already has various levels. Hence I'd like to add basic game design
features. Also, it is a little hard to figure out the place of the
instruction about what image to recall each time. I'd like to enhance the
UX by placing the instruction in an intuitive place.
5. wordcloud <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/>: As mentioned
in #2 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/issues/2>, I think it
would make more sense if the input text was split by newlines than by
words. Also, as mentioned in #10
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/issues/10>, adding support for
emoji and special characters would be fun.
6. turtlepond <https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtlepond> : This
activity has only 3 puzzles (3 levels). I think it adding basic game design
and more levels to this would enable mastering this kind of logical
thinking and make it more fun.
7.classify-cats <https://github.com/sugarlabs/classify-cats> :,The
logic of the game is to classify cats on the basis of "odd" and "even"
number of cats. Keeping this as level 1, multiple levels can be added
varying the criteria to classify the cats. Criteria might be "multiple of X
" and "not a multiple of X" . This feature would be added along with the
basic game design features.
8. chat <https://github.com/sugarlabs/chat> : I'd like to work on the
issue #17 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/chat/issues/17>.
9. imageviewer-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/imageviewer-activity>: It would be handy
to add basic image editing features such as crop and filters to this
activity.
10. wikipedia-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/wikipedia-activity>: This activity has a
very strong pedagogical value, I'm enthusiastic to bring this to use. But
I'm not sure how to update it. A checklist of what work needs to be done to
update this would be helpful.
C) To port to GTK+ 3 (Tentative list as mentioned in draft proposal)
Given the past attempts on porting these activities, I'm not sure if
it's right to choose these activities for porting to GTK+ 3 as a part of
GSoC. Thoughts on this from the mentors would be helpful.
11. compress-activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/compress-activity>
12. Bounce activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/Bounce>
13. followmeButia activit <https://github.com/sugarlabs/followmeButia>
14. Arithmetic activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/arithmetic>
15. Labyrinth activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/labyrinth-activity>
Kindly let me know the desirability and the relevance of the features
I plan to add. Also, Based on your experience and judgment, kindly let me
know if I'm biting more than I could chew for the time constraint of GSoC.
I will select the activities accordingly :)
Thanks,
Sourabha G.

Post by Chihurumnaya Ibiam
Hi Sourabha,
Thanks for the draft, a few comments;
What do you mean by "Add help activity" - second item in the Honey part -?
When you say "Contribute to the documentation", could you be a bit
more specific? What documentation do you intend to contribute to?
The fifth item "Fix issues that are required for an activity to be
released" seems vague,
what issues are you referring to here and in what activities?
You've selected less that 15 activities as stated by the project idea,
we definitely can talk about
the activities you'd want to work on.
I like the fact that you teach yoga classes to kids, I think that's amazing.
--
Ibiam Chihurumnaya

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Jui Pradhan

2021-04-10 09:26:15 UTC

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Hi Sourabha,
Thanks for the updated draft proposal. I have few
comments:
- I read the thread where you explained the selected activities and
activity-specific features you would like to add. It would be great if you
could add the explanations from your email in the proposal. For example, in
Recall I found the email explanation more clear than the one added in the
proposal. In addition to that, I feel explanations like the one you gave
for image-viewer activity should definitely be there in your proposal (by
that I mean just by reading the draft proposal, its not clear which image
editing tools you intend to add).
- Most of the activities that involve a port to Gtk+3 also require porting
to python3. (Activities like: Bounce, Compress, labyrinth, etc), if you
feel you can work on port to python3 please feel free to add it to your
proposal
- For the activity Arithmetic, there is an open PR for porting to Gtk+3 and
python3, you may continue work on the same PR if you find that convenient.
- The tools and technologies mentioned OpenCV. Did you find an activity
that uses it? I would love to have a look.
- I really liked your idea of adding a timestamp to messages in the chat
activity!

Also, I would love to hear about the activities you tested by letting the
students use them. :)

Thanks.
Regards,

Post by Sourabha G
Thanks, I will work on foodforce2-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/foodforce2-activity> instead of
followmeButia activity. It seems a few things weren't clearly mentioned in
the draft proposal, I have updated the draft proposal as per your
suggestions. Any critical comments and thoughts are welcome.

Thanks for the feedback, glad you appreciate my teaching yoga classes to

kids :)
By "Add help activity" I mean, I'd add Help for the selected
activities (Triples <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples>, cardsort
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort>, iq-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/iq-activity> and recall
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall>) by writing help pages to them
in the help-activity repository.
By "Contribute to the documentation" I mean,
a. Update the Readme, activity documentation in help-activity
repository according to the changes made in the activity.
b. Update any documentation that might ease the new contributors for
better understanding.
By "Fix issues that are required for an activity to be released" I
mean, there are few issues that require it to be fixed (other than feature
addition and port to GTK+ 3) inorder to make a new release of the activity
like #6 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples/issues/6> in triples
activity, #9 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort/issues/9> in
cardsort, #12 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtlepond/pull/12> in
turtlepond activity.
A) To add basic game design features and activity specific features
(game design features are mentioned in draft proposal)
1. Triples <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples> : This activity
has only one level. Hence, I'll add levels and other basic game design
features.
2. cardsort <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort> : This activity
already has levels.Hence I will add other basic game design features.
3. iq-activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/iq-activity> : This
activity seems to have only one level. Hence I'd add multiple levels and
other basic game design features.
4. recall <https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall> : This activity
already has various levels. Hence I'd like to add basic game design
features. Also, it is a little hard to figure out the place of the
instruction about what image to recall each time. I'd like to enhance the
UX by placing the instruction in an intuitive place.
5. wordcloud <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/>: As mentioned
in #2 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/issues/2>, I think it
would make more sense if the input text was split by newlines than by
words. Also, as mentioned in #10
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/issues/10>, adding support
for emoji and special characters would be fun.
6. turtlepond <https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtlepond> : This
activity has only 3 puzzles (3 levels). I think it adding basic game design
and more levels to this would enable mastering this kind of logical
thinking and make it more fun.
7.classify-cats <https://github.com/sugarlabs/classify-cats> :,The
logic of the game is to classify cats on the basis of "odd" and "even"
number of cats. Keeping this as level 1, multiple levels can be added
varying the criteria to classify the cats. Criteria might be "multiple of X
" and "not a multiple of X" . This feature would be added along with the
basic game design features.
8. chat <https://github.com/sugarlabs/chat> : I'd like to work on
the issue #17 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/chat/issues/17>.
9. imageviewer-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/imageviewer-activity>: It would be
handy to add basic image editing features such as crop and filters to this
activity.
10. wikipedia-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/wikipedia-activity>: This activity has
a very strong pedagogical value, I'm enthusiastic to bring this to use. But
I'm not sure how to update it. A checklist of what work needs to be done to
update this would be helpful.
C) To port to GTK+ 3 (Tentative list as mentioned in draft proposal)
Given the past attempts on porting these activities, I'm not sure if
it's right to choose these activities for porting to GTK+ 3 as a part of
GSoC. Thoughts on this from the mentors would be helpful.
11. compress-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/compress-activity>
12. Bounce activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/Bounce>
13. followmeButia activit
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/followmeButia>
14. Arithmetic activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/arithmetic>
15. Labyrinth activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/labyrinth-activity>
Kindly let me know the desirability and the relevance of the features
I plan to add. Also, Based on your experience and judgment, kindly let me
know if I'm biting more than I could chew for the time constraint of GSoC.
I will select the activities accordingly :)
Thanks,
Sourabha G.
On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 11:02 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam <

Post by Chihurumnaya Ibiam
Hi Sourabha,
Thanks for the draft, a few comments;
What do you mean by "Add help activity" - second item in the Honey part -?
When you say "Contribute to the documentation", could you be a bit
more specific? What documentation do you intend to contribute to?
The fifth item "Fix issues that are required for an activity to be
released" seems vague,
what issues are you referring to here and in what activities?
You've selected less that 15 activities as stated by the project
idea, we definitely can talk about
the activities you'd want to work on.
I like the fact that you teach yoga classes to kids, I think that's amazing.
--
Ibiam Chihurumnaya

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Sourabha G

2021-04-10 14:38:19 UTC

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Hi Jui,
thanks for the suggestions.
1. I'll definitely consider adding more explanation to the selected
activities ( I thought it would be more confusive. but if it adds more
clarity, I'll definitely add more description).
2. I thought it would be best to discuss with the candidate who's going to
work on 'port to python3' to take up those activities so that it will be
soon ready to release. In case if this doesn't line up, I'll consider doing
it within GSoC deadline if time permits or post GSoC.
3. Surely, I'll go through the open PRs and try to complete it unless it's
inevitable to make a new PR.
4. The feature addition for imageviewer activity to add editing tools would
need OpenCV ( crop and filters).
5. Glad you liked the timestamp feature :)
About the students testing the activities, I thought it would be off-topic
to mention more in the proposal. Since the pandemic, I felt many of my yoga
students weren't coping up with the academics. So I started teaching them
math and science in my free time. Allowing them to test the activities has
shown noticeable improvement in their interest towards learning. JAMath was
the first activity to be tested. I came up with the idea of adding basic
game design features after taking their feedback. There are many slight
changes that a game might need. We might not realize it until it's tested
in the user environment. For example, the 3rd level in JAMath is too fast
for an average kid to even attempt. Many couldn't notice the instruction in
Recall activity. Apart from this, most loved to play Turtlepond and
stick-hero. No one could get the iqacttivity right :P

Post by Chihurumnaya Ibiam
Hi Sourabha,
Thanks for the updated draft proposal. I have few
- I read the thread where you explained the selected activities and
activity-specific features you would like to add. It would be great if you
could add the explanations from your email in the proposal. For example, in
Recall I found the email explanation more clear than the one added in the
proposal. In addition to that, I feel explanations like the one you gave
for image-viewer activity should definitely be there in your proposal (by
that I mean just by reading the draft proposal, its not clear which image
editing tools you intend to add).
- Most of the activities that involve a port to Gtk+3 also require porting
to python3. (Activities like: Bounce, Compress, labyrinth, etc), if you
feel you can work on port to python3 please feel free to add it to your
proposal
- For the activity Arithmetic, there is an open PR for porting to Gtk+3
and python3, you may continue work on the same PR if you find that
convenient.
- The tools and technologies mentioned OpenCV. Did you find an activity
that uses it? I would love to have a look.
- I really liked your idea of adding a timestamp to messages in the chat
activity!
Also, I would love to hear about the activities you tested by letting the
students use them. :)
Thanks.
Regards,

Post by Chihurumnaya Ibiam
I don't think you're biting more than you can chew as sometimes we can't
really say how long it'll take
to fix a problem unless one starts working on it.
The previous attempts at porting an activity can be a good starting
point for you as you can complete
the PR, nothing wrong with that, the only activity in the list that I
think should be removed is followmeButia
except you have the resources to test it on bare metal.
--
Ibiam Chihurumnaya

Thanks for the feedback, glad you appreciate my teaching yoga classes

to kids :)
By "Add help activity" I mean, I'd add Help for the selected
activities (Triples <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples>, cardsort
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort>, iq-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/iq-activity> and recall
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall>) by writing help pages to them
in the help-activity repository.
By "Contribute to the documentation" I mean,
a. Update the Readme, activity documentation in help-activity
repository according to the changes made in the activity.
b. Update any documentation that might ease the new contributors for
better understanding.
By "Fix issues that are required for an activity to be released" I
mean, there are few issues that require it to be fixed (other than feature
addition and port to GTK+ 3) inorder to make a new release of the activity
like #6 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples/issues/6> in triples
activity, #9 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort/issues/9> in
cardsort, #12 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtlepond/pull/12> in
turtlepond activity.
A) To add basic game design features and activity specific features
(game design features are mentioned in draft proposal)
1. Triples <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples> : This activity
has only one level. Hence, I'll add levels and other basic game design
features.
2. cardsort <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort> : This activity
already has levels.Hence I will add other basic game design features.
3. iq-activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/iq-activity> : This
activity seems to have only one level. Hence I'd add multiple levels and
other basic game design features.
4. recall <https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall> : This activity
already has various levels. Hence I'd like to add basic game design
features. Also, it is a little hard to figure out the place of the
instruction about what image to recall each time. I'd like to enhance the
UX by placing the instruction in an intuitive place.
5. wordcloud <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/>: As mentioned
in #2 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/issues/2>, I think it
would make more sense if the input text was split by newlines than by
words. Also, as mentioned in #10
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/issues/10>, adding support
for emoji and special characters would be fun.
6. turtlepond <https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtlepond> : This
activity has only 3 puzzles (3 levels). I think it adding basic game design
and more levels to this would enable mastering this kind of logical
thinking and make it more fun.
7.classify-cats <https://github.com/sugarlabs/classify-cats> :,The
logic of the game is to classify cats on the basis of "odd" and "even"
number of cats. Keeping this as level 1, multiple levels can be added
varying the criteria to classify the cats. Criteria might be "multiple of X
" and "not a multiple of X" . This feature would be added along with the
basic game design features.
8. chat <https://github.com/sugarlabs/chat> : I'd like to work on
the issue #17 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/chat/issues/17>.
9. imageviewer-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/imageviewer-activity>: It would be
handy to add basic image editing features such as crop and filters to this
activity.
10. wikipedia-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/wikipedia-activity>: This activity has
a very strong pedagogical value, I'm enthusiastic to bring this to use. But
I'm not sure how to update it. A checklist of what work needs to be done to
update this would be helpful.
C) To port to GTK+ 3 (Tentative list as mentioned in draft proposal)
Given the past attempts on porting these activities, I'm not sure if
it's right to choose these activities for porting to GTK+ 3 as a part of
GSoC. Thoughts on this from the mentors would be helpful.
11. compress-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/compress-activity>
12. Bounce activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/Bounce>
13. followmeButia activit
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/followmeButia>
14. Arithmetic activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/arithmetic>
15. Labyrinth activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/labyrinth-activity>
Kindly let me know the desirability and the relevance of the
features I plan to add. Also, Based on your experience and judgment, kindly
let me know if I'm biting more than I could chew for the time constraint of
GSoC. I will select the activities accordingly :)
Thanks,
Sourabha G.
On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 11:02 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam <

Post by Chihurumnaya Ibiam
Hi Sourabha,
Thanks for the draft, a few comments;
What do you mean by "Add help activity" - second item in the Honey part -?
When you say "Contribute to the documentation", could you be a bit
more specific? What documentation do you intend to contribute to?
The fifth item "Fix issues that are required for an activity to be
released" seems vague,
what issues are you referring to here and in what activities?
You've selected less that 15 activities as stated by the project
idea, we definitely can talk about
the activities you'd want to work on.
I like the fact that you teach yoga classes to kids, I think that's amazing.
--
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Post by Sourabha G
Hi Jui,
thanks for the suggestions.
1. I'll definitely consider adding more explanation to the selected
activities ( I thought it would be more confusive. but if it adds more
clarity, I'll definitely add more description).
2. I thought it would be best to discuss with the candidate who's going to
work on 'port to python3' to take up those activities so that it will be
soon ready to release. In case if this doesn't line up, I'll consider doing
it within GSoC deadline if time permits or post GSoC.

You don't know any student who would work on it at this time so it's better
to include it as it's in the
scope of the project.

3. Surely, I'll go through the open PRs and try to complete it unless it's

Post by Sourabha G
inevitable to make a new PR.
4. The feature addition for imageviewer activity to add editing tools
would need OpenCV ( crop and filters).

Using OpenCV <https://github.com/opencv/opencv> is adding an extra
dependency to the activity and I don't think that's a good idea,
It increases maintenance duties and it becomes one more thing to worry
about.
Looking at the repo it does seem that it might be large and bundling it in
the activity would increase the
image size and that's not something we want.

5. Glad you liked the timestamp feature :)

Post by Sourabha G
About the students testing the activities, I thought it would be off-topic
to mention more in the proposal. Since the pandemic, I felt many of my yoga
students weren't coping up with the academics. So I started teaching them
math and science in my free time. Allowing them to test the activities has
shown noticeable improvement in their interest towards learning. JAMath was
the first activity to be tested. I came up with the idea of adding basic
game design features after taking their feedback. There are many slight
changes that a game might need. We might not realize it until it's tested
in the user environment. For example, the 3rd level in JAMath is too fast
for an average kid to even attempt. Many couldn't notice the instruction in
Recall activity. Apart from this, most loved to play Turtlepond and
stick-hero. No one could get the iqacttivity right :P

Thanks for sharing, if you can keep them engaged more with testing and
working on improvements,
that'll be great.
--
Ibiam Chihurumnaya

Post by Sourabha G

Post by Chihurumnaya Ibiam
Hi Sourabha,
Thanks for the updated draft proposal. I have few
- I read the thread where you explained the selected activities and
activity-specific features you would like to add. It would be great if you
could add the explanations from your email in the proposal. For example, in
Recall I found the email explanation more clear than the one added in the
proposal. In addition to that, I feel explanations like the one you gave
for image-viewer activity should definitely be there in your proposal (by
that I mean just by reading the draft proposal, its not clear which image
editing tools you intend to add).
- Most of the activities that involve a port to Gtk+3 also require
porting to python3. (Activities like: Bounce, Compress, labyrinth, etc), if
you feel you can work on port to python3 please feel free to add it to your
proposal
- For the activity Arithmetic, there is an open PR for porting to Gtk+3
and python3, you may continue work on the same PR if you find that
convenient.
- The tools and technologies mentioned OpenCV. Did you find an activity
that uses it? I would love to have a look.
- I really liked your idea of adding a timestamp to messages in the chat
activity!
Also, I would love to hear about the activities you tested by letting the
students use them. :)
Thanks.
Regards,

Post by Chihurumnaya Ibiam
I don't think you're biting more than you can chew as sometimes we
can't really say how long it'll take
to fix a problem unless one starts working on it.
The previous attempts at porting an activity can be a good starting
point for you as you can complete
the PR, nothing wrong with that, the only activity in the list that I
think should be removed is followmeButia
except you have the resources to test it on bare metal.
--
Ibiam Chihurumnaya

Thanks for the feedback, glad you appreciate my teaching yoga classes

to kids :)
By "Add help activity" I mean, I'd add Help for the selected
activities (Triples <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples>, cardsort
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort>, iq-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/iq-activity> and recall
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall>) by writing help pages to
them in the help-activity repository.
By "Contribute to the documentation" I mean,
a. Update the Readme, activity documentation in help-activity
repository according to the changes made in the activity.
b. Update any documentation that might ease the new contributors
for better understanding.
By "Fix issues that are required for an activity to be released" I
mean, there are few issues that require it to be fixed (other than feature
addition and port to GTK+ 3) inorder to make a new release of the activity
like #6 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples/issues/6> in triples
activity, #9 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort/issues/9> in
cardsort, #12 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtlepond/pull/12> in
turtlepond activity.
A) To add basic game design features and activity specific features
(game design features are mentioned in draft proposal)
1. Triples <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples> : This activity
has only one level. Hence, I'll add levels and other basic game design
features.
2. cardsort <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort> : This
activity already has levels.Hence I will add other basic game design
features.
3. iq-activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/iq-activity> : This
activity seems to have only one level. Hence I'd add multiple levels and
other basic game design features.
4. recall <https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall> : This activity
already has various levels. Hence I'd like to add basic game design
features. Also, it is a little hard to figure out the place of the
instruction about what image to recall each time. I'd like to enhance the
UX by placing the instruction in an intuitive place.
5. wordcloud <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/>: As
mentioned in #2 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/issues/2>,
I think it would make more sense if the input text was split by newlines
than by words. Also, as mentioned in #10
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/issues/10>, adding support
for emoji and special characters would be fun.
6. turtlepond <https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtlepond> : This
activity has only 3 puzzles (3 levels). I think it adding basic game design
and more levels to this would enable mastering this kind of logical
thinking and make it more fun.
7.classify-cats <https://github.com/sugarlabs/classify-cats> :,The
logic of the game is to classify cats on the basis of "odd" and "even"
number of cats. Keeping this as level 1, multiple levels can be added
varying the criteria to classify the cats. Criteria might be "multiple of X
" and "not a multiple of X" . This feature would be added along with the
basic game design features.
8. chat <https://github.com/sugarlabs/chat> : I'd like to work on
the issue #17 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/chat/issues/17>.
9. imageviewer-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/imageviewer-activity>: It would be
handy to add basic image editing features such as crop and filters to this
activity.
10. wikipedia-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/wikipedia-activity>: This activity
has a very strong pedagogical value, I'm enthusiastic to bring this to use.
But I'm not sure how to update it. A checklist of what work needs to be
done to update this would be helpful.
C) To port to GTK+ 3 (Tentative list as mentioned in draft proposal)
Given the past attempts on porting these activities, I'm not sure if
it's right to choose these activities for porting to GTK+ 3 as a part of
GSoC. Thoughts on this from the mentors would be helpful.
11. compress-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/compress-activity>
12. Bounce activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/Bounce>
13. followmeButia activit
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/followmeButia>
14. Arithmetic activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/arithmetic>
15. Labyrinth activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/labyrinth-activity>
Kindly let me know the desirability and the relevance of the
features I plan to add. Also, Based on your experience and judgment, kindly
let me know if I'm biting more than I could chew for the time constraint of
GSoC. I will select the activities accordingly :)
Thanks,
Sourabha G.
On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 11:02 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam <

Post by Chihurumnaya Ibiam
Hi Sourabha,
Thanks for the draft, a few comments;
What do you mean by "Add help activity" - second item in the Honey part -?
When you say "Contribute to the documentation", could you be a bit
more specific? What documentation do you intend to contribute to?
The fifth item "Fix issues that are required for an activity to be
released" seems vague,
what issues are you referring to here and in what activities?
You've selected less that 15 activities as stated by the project
idea, we definitely can talk about
the activities you'd want to work on.
I like the fact that you teach yoga classes to kids, I think that's amazing.
--
Ibiam Chihurumnaya
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2021-04-10 23:27:54 UTC

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Also don't forget to upload your proposal on your GSoC dashboard.
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Post by Chihurumnaya Ibiam

Post by Sourabha G
Hi Jui,
thanks for the suggestions.
1. I'll definitely consider adding more explanation to the selected
activities ( I thought it would be more confusive. but if it adds more
clarity, I'll definitely add more description).
2. I thought it would be best to discuss with the candidate who's going
to work on 'port to python3' to take up those activities so that it will be
soon ready to release. In case if this doesn't line up, I'll consider doing
it within GSoC deadline if time permits or post GSoC.

You don't know any student who would work on it at this time so it's
better to include it as it's in the
scope of the project.
3. Surely, I'll go through the open PRs and try to complete it unless it's

Post by Sourabha G
inevitable to make a new PR.
4. The feature addition for imageviewer activity to add editing tools
would need OpenCV ( crop and filters).

Post by Sourabha G
About the students testing the activities, I thought it would be
off-topic to mention more in the proposal. Since the pandemic, I felt many
of my yoga students weren't coping up with the academics. So I started
teaching them math and science in my free time. Allowing them to test the
activities has shown noticeable improvement in their interest towards
learning. JAMath was the first activity to be tested. I came up with the
idea of adding basic game design features after taking their feedback.
There are many slight changes that a game might need. We might not realize
it until it's tested in the user environment. For example, the 3rd level in
JAMath is too fast for an average kid to even attempt. Many couldn't notice
the instruction in Recall activity. Apart from this, most loved to play
Turtlepond and stick-hero. No one could get the iqacttivity right :P

Thanks for sharing, if you can keep them engaged more with testing and
working on improvements,
that'll be great.
--
Ibiam Chihurumnaya

Post by Sourabha G

Post by Chihurumnaya Ibiam
Hi Sourabha,
Thanks for the updated draft proposal. I have few
- I read the thread where you explained the selected activities and
activity-specific features you would like to add. It would be great if you
could add the explanations from your email in the proposal. For example, in
Recall I found the email explanation more clear than the one added in the
proposal. In addition to that, I feel explanations like the one you gave
for image-viewer activity should definitely be there in your proposal (by
that I mean just by reading the draft proposal, its not clear which image
editing tools you intend to add).
- Most of the activities that involve a port to Gtk+3 also require
porting to python3. (Activities like: Bounce, Compress, labyrinth, etc), if
you feel you can work on port to python3 please feel free to add it to your
proposal
- For the activity Arithmetic, there is an open PR for porting to Gtk+3
and python3, you may continue work on the same PR if you find that
convenient.
- The tools and technologies mentioned OpenCV. Did you find an activity
that uses it? I would love to have a look.
- I really liked your idea of adding a timestamp to messages in the chat
activity!
Also, I would love to hear about the activities you tested by letting
the students use them. :)
Thanks.
Regards,

Post by Chihurumnaya Ibiam
I don't think you're biting more than you can chew as sometimes we
can't really say how long it'll take
to fix a problem unless one starts working on it.
The previous attempts at porting an activity can be a good starting
point for you as you can complete
the PR, nothing wrong with that, the only activity in the list that I
think should be removed is followmeButia
except you have the resources to test it on bare metal.
--
Ibiam Chihurumnaya

Thanks for the feedback, glad you appreciate my teaching yoga classes

to kids :)
By "Add help activity" I mean, I'd add Help for the selected
activities (Triples <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples>,
cardsort <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort>, iq-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/iq-activity> and recall
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall>) by writing help pages to
them in the help-activity repository.
By "Contribute to the documentation" I mean,
a. Update the Readme, activity documentation in help-activity
repository according to the changes made in the activity.
b. Update any documentation that might ease the new contributors
for better understanding.
By "Fix issues that are required for an activity to be released" I
mean, there are few issues that require it to be fixed (other than feature
addition and port to GTK+ 3) inorder to make a new release of the activity
like #6 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples/issues/6> in triples
activity, #9 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort/issues/9> in
cardsort, #12 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtlepond/pull/12> in
turtlepond activity.
A) To add basic game design features and activity specific features
(game design features are mentioned in draft proposal)
1. Triples <https://github.com/sugarlabs/triples> : This activity
has only one level. Hence, I'll add levels and other basic game design
features.
2. cardsort <https://github.com/sugarlabs/cardsort> : This
activity already has levels.Hence I will add other basic game design
features.
3. iq-activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/iq-activity> : This
activity seems to have only one level. Hence I'd add multiple levels and
other basic game design features.
4. recall <https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall> : This activity
already has various levels. Hence I'd like to add basic game design
features. Also, it is a little hard to figure out the place of the
instruction about what image to recall each time. I'd like to enhance the
UX by placing the instruction in an intuitive place.
5. wordcloud <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/>: As
mentioned in #2 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/issues/2>,
I think it would make more sense if the input text was split by newlines
than by words. Also, as mentioned in #10
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/wordcloud/issues/10>, adding support
for emoji and special characters would be fun.
6. turtlepond <https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtlepond> : This
activity has only 3 puzzles (3 levels). I think it adding basic game design
and more levels to this would enable mastering this kind of logical
thinking and make it more fun.
7.classify-cats <https://github.com/sugarlabs/classify-cats> :,The
logic of the game is to classify cats on the basis of "odd" and "even"
number of cats. Keeping this as level 1, multiple levels can be added
varying the criteria to classify the cats. Criteria might be "multiple of X
" and "not a multiple of X" . This feature would be added along with the
basic game design features.
8. chat <https://github.com/sugarlabs/chat> : I'd like to work on
the issue #17 <https://github.com/sugarlabs/chat/issues/17>.
9. imageviewer-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/imageviewer-activity>: It would be
handy to add basic image editing features such as crop and filters to this
activity.
10. wikipedia-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/wikipedia-activity>: This activity
has a very strong pedagogical value, I'm enthusiastic to bring this to use.
But I'm not sure how to update it. A checklist of what work needs to be
done to update this would be helpful.
C) To port to GTK+ 3 (Tentative list as mentioned in draft proposal)
Given the past attempts on porting these activities, I'm not sure
if it's right to choose these activities for porting to GTK+ 3 as a part of
GSoC. Thoughts on this from the mentors would be helpful.
11. compress-activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/compress-activity>
12. Bounce activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/Bounce>
13. followmeButia activit
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/followmeButia>
14. Arithmetic activity <https://github.com/sugarlabs/arithmetic>
15. Labyrinth activity
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/labyrinth-activity>
Kindly let me know the desirability and the relevance of the
features I plan to add. Also, Based on your experience and judgment, kindly
let me know if I'm biting more than I could chew for the time constraint of
GSoC. I will select the activities accordingly :)
Thanks,
Sourabha G.
On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 11:02 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam <

Post by Chihurumnaya Ibiam
Hi Sourabha,
Thanks for the draft, a few comments;
What do you mean by "Add help activity" - second item in the Honey part -?
When you say "Contribute to the documentation", could you be a bit
more specific? What documentation do you intend to contribute to?
The fifth item "Fix issues that are required for an activity to be
released" seems vague,
what issues are you referring to here and in what activities?
You've selected less that 15 activities as stated by the project
idea, we definitely can talk about
the activities you'd want to work on.
I like the fact that you teach yoga classes to kids, I think
that's amazing.
--
Ibiam Chihurumnaya
On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 9:45 AM Sourabha G <

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